DID YOU KNOW ?          -- Three years before the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, Serbs destroyed 296 Bosniak villages and killed at least 3,166 Bosniaks around Srebrenica.  In 1993, the UN described the situation in Srebrenica as a "slow-motion process of genocide." In July 1995, Serbs forcibly expelled 25,000 Bosniaks, brutally raped many women and girls, and systematically killed 8,000+ men and boys (DNA confirmed).

28 May, 2006

PETER HANDKE - SREBRENICA GENOCIDE DENIER

Srebrenica Genocide Denier and Milosevic's Darling Kicked from French Theatre

Peter Handke - Srebrenica Genocide Denier - Attends Slobodan Milosevic's funeral... and then Awarded $50,000 EURO Literary Price - guess where? - in Germany (country with rich Nazi past, never-ending Holocaust denial, incurable Anti Semitism & Islamophobism). To award Srebrenica Genocide denier with $50,000 is same as awarding Adolph Hitler with Nobel Prize for Peace.

Peter Handke is controversial because of his pro-Milosevic stance during the Balkan wars, and his support for the Serbian regime. Recently, French national theatre Comédie-Française removed the play "Voyage to the Sonorous Land or the Art of Asking" from its 2007 season lineup, after Handke spoke at the burial of former Serbian dictator Slobodan Milosevic in March.

Handke, who lives in France, said in an essay in the French newspaper Libération: "Let's stop laying the massacre … on the backs of the Serbian military and paramilitary. And listen -- at last -- to the survivors of the Muslim massacres in numerous Serbian villages around Srebrenica."


By calling the casualties of eleven Serb civilians in Kravice in 1993 a 'massacre', the Austrian playwright Peter Handke is trying to justify all the previous and later slaughters of tens of thousands of Bosniak civilians by Serb forces, including the genocide of 8,106 Bosniak civilians in supposedly UN 'protected' enclave of Srebrenica. Of course, this is not the first time this Austrian 'intellectual' and Srebrenica Genocide Denier has exercised such extreme views and warped logic in his overly pro-Milosevic stances. What Handke, Milosevic's darling, does not know is that numbers of alleged Serb victims around Srebrenica were extremely inflated by both Serbian media and Srebrenica Genocide deniers and revisionists. Read Myth About Serb Victims Around Srebrenica and Example of Serbian Propaganda: Rade Rogic and the Effect of Imaginary Serb Soldier.

One of Handke's greatest plays, The Art of Asking was scheduled by the French public theatre company, the Comédie Française.

Peter Handke - Face of Srebrenica Genocide DenierOn April 29, 2006, the daily Libération reported that Marcel Bozonnet had decided to scrap the play after having read a snippet published on April 6, 2006 in the Nouvel Observateur, a weekly magazine published every Thursday. The snippet called a sifflet (a "whistle") -- by the journalist Ruth Valentini read:

Peter Handke in Pozarevac

"I am happy to be close to Slobodan Milosevic, who has defended his people," said -- in Serb -- Peter Handke on March 18 on Liberation Square, in Pozarevac. The guest flaunted his grief along with 20,000 fanatics. Loyal to the "Butcher of the Balkans" and to his own revisionist position, the Austrian writer, author of Justice for Serbia, had come as a "truth seeker." Thus Handke, for whom "to be pro-Serb is a honorific title," persists in his defense of "Slobo," considers that the Serbs are "the real victims of the war," approves the Srebrenica massacre and other crimes done in the name of ethnic cleansing. Waving the Serbian flag, squeezing forward to touch the hearse and lay his red rose, Handke looks a sorry sight. With his tribute to the despot, the poet has definitively dug the grave of his lost honor.

Deeply disturbed by Valentini's report, the general administrator reached the conclusion that his personal conscience could not allow him to let Handke's play be shown at the Comédie Française. He scrapped the play. It was a "personal decision," said Bozonnet.

Handke, who reduced himself to being Srebrenica Genocide denier, said he was "disgusted" with the decision by company administrator Marcel Bozonnet to pull the play, while Bozonnet shot back that he has been scandalized by the playwright's eulogy at Milosevic's graveside. "For my soul and my conscience it was impossible to welcome this person into my theatre," Bozonnet told a press conference, adding that to host someone's work in the theatre was "an act of recognition, of love."

"For three weeks . . . I have been plunged back into the horror of ethnic cleansing," Bozonnet said as he confirmed that Handke's Voyage to the Sonorous Land or the Art of Asking would not be staged in January.

Bozonnet took the decision after reading reports about Milosevic's funeral in Serbia on March 18 at which Handke, 63, gave a eulogy saying he was "happy to be beside Slobodan Milosevic, a man who defended his people." One wonders who did Milosevic defend his people from when he was the one destroying them?

Bozonnet, who has held the post since 2001 and is hoping to win a second and final term as theatre administrator, denied his decision amounted to censorship.

"This is not censorship. It is one theatre director who has decided not to put on a play, but all the others can stage it. [Handke] is allowed a lot of freedom, so give me some too," he added.

In his article in Liberation Mr Handke goes on to write: "Let us stop comparing Slobodan Milosevic with Hitler. Let us stop drawing parallels between him and his wife Mira Markovic on one hand, and the Romanian dictator Ceausescu and his wife Elena on the other. And let's stop calling camps established during the secessionist war in Yugoslavia, concentration camps."

Those who, unlike Handke, were eyewitnesses to the horrors of Serbian concentration camps in Bosnia, like an American journalist and Pulitzer Prize winner, Roy Gutman, called these camps concentration camps and death camps.

Following his warped logic, Handke appealed to the wider public to stop making connection between Serbian military and paramilitary forces and slaughters of innocent civilians in Bosnia, including the most notorious one in Srebrenica, where at least 8000 Bosniak civilians, were killed by regular Serb forces under the command of Ratko Mladic.

Bozonnet gave a press conference on May 4, 2006 to expand on his decision:

For three weeks, I reviewed European history, from 1990 to date. I reviewed this terrible film! I reviewed it in my mind, ladies and gentlemen! I plunged back in this horror that ethnic cleansing was, the planning of these facts, of these crimes. I learned about all that Peter Handke had said, which I did not know . . . . I was scandalized by what Peter Handke said. In part I knew it but I did not know the extent: the work of historians systematically questioned, of war correspondents, of your papers, ladies and gentlemen, that have admirably informed us for years, that thanks to their work, their courage, pierced the wall of indifference. This is I found out what Peter Handke ridiculed....These are no longer suppositions, one cannot doubt Milosevic's actions....it's unbelievable, he does not know where is the world, he does not know where is the truth, he does not know where is history, he does not believe in the accounts from witnesses: that's what he said on Milosevic's grave!

Peter Handke was awarded the city of Düsseldorf's Heine Prize for literature. The Heine Prize, endowed for 50,000 euros ($64,000), is one of the three highest-paying literature prizes in - guess where? - Germany, country with rich nazi past and never-ending Hitler supremacist nostalgia among young and old. The jury said Handke -- like Heinrich Heine, the German poet after whom the prize is named -- obstinately follows the way to an "open truth." He puts forth his own poetic world view, in contrast to broader public opinion, they said.

The prize will be awared on Dec. 13.

22 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please note that Handke isn't awarded yet but nominated for this literary price. And that this nomination is a result of the jury's slim majority (only one vote) and is highly controverial in Germany.
By the way, there are quite a lot of intelligent and decent people here in Germany, and there's no reason to insult the Germans across-the-boad by comments like "country with rich Nazi past, never-ending Holocaust denial, incurable Anti Semitism & Islamophobism".

Tuesday, May 30, 2006  
Blogger Owen said...

Handke's interventions have routinely been criticised by his fellow-countryfolk and Germany is certainly not the only country where prominent individuals have expressed themselves in such an offensive way. Your anger at Handke is justified but your comments about Germany are disrespectful to the many decent-thinking Germans who don't share his views (incidentally I'm British).

Wednesday, May 31, 2006  
Blogger Owen said...

I'm copying the text of a press release from Society for Threatened Peoples / Gesellschaft fuer bedrohte Voelher in Goettingen:

SOCIETY FOR THREATENED PEOPLES
PRESS RELEASE Düsseldorf/Göttingen, 31st May 2006

No Heine Prize for Handke - Relief at decision of the Düsseldorf City Council

"Intellectual support for genocide must not be rewarded"

It was with relief that the Society for Threatened Peoples (GfbV) registered
the decision of the SPD, FDP and Greens in the Düsseldorf City Council to
prevent the donation of the Heinrich Heine Prize to Peter Handke. "The mind
boggles at the notion of rewarding the intellectual support of genocide",
criticised the GfbV General Secretary, Tilman Zülch (at present in Erbil/Kurdistan) on Wednesday the vote of the independent jury for the Austrian writer. "The scandal is made even greater by the intentional misuse of the name of one of the most important German poets, the Jew, Heinrich Heine."

Precisely in Germany one ought to have more sensitivity for seeing that
Handke´s "poetry" turns victims into criminals and criminals into victims. This was the charge brought against the jury, consisting of literature experts,
members of the City Council and a representative of the province, which wanted to bestow on Handke the Heine Prize worth 50,000 euros.

Handke has in the opinion of the GfbV turned himself into the "literary
second of extreme chauvinism, so-called ethnic cleansing and genocide, also
because he denied the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague the right to pass judgment on the Serb dictator, Slobodan Milosevic.

In 1996 the GfbV charged the writer of ignoring all evidence for the
genocide in Bosnia with 200,000 dead, some 20,000 raped women, with over 100
concentration and internment camps, as well as 324 mass graves which had by then been discovered. The human rights organisation published at the time under the title "The poet´s fear of reality" 16 contributions by writers, journalists and human rights experts**, who had reacted with indignation at Handke´s" Winter journey to the rivers Danube, Save, Morava and Drina or justice for Serbia".

"The fact that civilians were for years enclosed, starved and shot at in
Bosnian towns, some of which were declared UN protected areas, evidently leaves Handke cold", says the GfbV of Handke. Returning home from his "winter journey" he said: "The war, as served up to you by the media, was seen in a distorted way, you were the victims of a worldwide conspiracy of journalists at the expense of the Serbs." The invitation of the GfbV to talk to the survivors of the genocide in Bosnia and visit the places where the massacres took place was turned down by the writer. A panel discussion at the theatre in Frankfurt with the GfbV General Secretary, Tilman Zülch, was broken off after the first few minutes by Handke because Zülch had raised the subject of the Serb concentration camps in Bosnia with the words: "Zülch, you arse-hole, the
discussion is over."

** Die Angst des Dichters vor der Wirklichkeit ("The poet´s fear of reality") 16 answers to Peter Handke´s Winterreise nach Serbien ("Winter journey to Serbia") published by Tilman Zülch, Steidl Verlag, Göttingen 1996 with contributions by Peter Schneider, Marcel Ophuls, Dzevad Karahasan, Bora Cosic, Günter Kunert, Wolfram Schütte, Gustav Seibt, Thomas Schmid, Ralf Caspary, Sonja Biserko, Wilfried F. Schoeller, Elisabeth von Thadden, Ed Vulliamy and Tilman Zülch.

Gesellschaft fuer bedrohte Voelker e.V. (GfbV)
Inse Geismar, Pressereferentin
Postfach 2024, D-37010 Goettingen
Tel. +49/551/49906-25, Fax:+49/551/58028
E-Mail: presse@gfbv.de, Homepage:http://www.gfbv.de

Thursday, June 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In fact Handke didn't deny the massacre of Srebenica and other war crimes in the Bosnian civil war at any time. He's even recently claimed this massacre as "the worst crime angainst humanity since the end of the [second world] war". (http://www.sueddeutsche.de/kultur/artikel/99/77022/)

The reason why he is wrongly taken as a pro-Serbian propagandist is that he pointed to Serbian victims of this shameful civil war in times when the Bosniac-Serbian war crimes became known to the public. And his indeed questionable presence at Milisevic's burial.
Some say that he's a kind of poet who doesn't really care about reality but about his works, and he writes poetry but not reports like journalists ought to do.
You can like this or not (I don't), but you cannot allerge that he's a war crime denier because this is clearly wrong. Many do this, but they haven't obviously read his works in this range. I had to correct my mind on this as well.

Thursday, June 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In his latest interview given to a Swiss paper, Handke said that Srebrenica was not a genocide or a massacre but a revenge for crimes against Serbs. I respect his literal work, but he has no right to hide behind his art. He is the one who has chosen to behave as politician. Now he has to deal with the public scrutiny as every politician does. It is clear that he is dishonest individual. Otherwise he would accept an invitation to meet the survivors of the genocide.

Wednesday, June 21, 2006  
Blogger SUMMA POLITICO said...

I doubt that the person who wrote the main entry ever read any of Handke's five books the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Handke never denied anything, however he did not write his upset in the approved media terms; moreover, he looked at other matters during his travels in a stretch of land which he knows nearly like a native; he favored the continued existence of the Yugoslav federation, and thought, perhaps mistakenly, that that was all that Milosevics and the central governmnent wanted to do; more-over he pointed to the crimes committed by the Fascist successor to the Ustasha government in Zagreb; and the Bosnian Muslim crimes, and those of the Kosovo Albanians. He may be wrong in thinking of Milosevics as a tragic person. To blame that tragedy on one man is typical American thinking; it would be as if I blaned the US War Crimes in Vietam on President Johnson, or the current crimes that is the occupation of Iraq entirely on G.W, Bush, in which later case I probably would have an easier time in making out such a simple case. for us crimes see;

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=108624


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-vietnam6aug06,0,6350517.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Sunday, August 06, 2006  
Blogger SUMMA POLITICO said...

HERE ARE LINKS TO HANDKE MATERIAL EXPLAINING HIS POSITION,

http://www.kultur.at/lesen/index.htm [IN german as is the one below]

http://begleitschreiben.twoday.net/stories/2504464/




http://www.handke.scriptmania.com has a 15 piece of mine delving into the fair complexity of handke's relationship. the poster appears not to have read his book "sommerlicher nachtrag" where handke has a surrogate go made exclaiming that he does not want to be a serb!

there is the site
http://www.handkeyugo.scriptmania.com which is a fair record of all that

http://www.handkelectures.freeservers.com



--
MICHAEL ROLOFF
Member Seattle Psychoanalytic Institute and Society
http://roloff.freeservers.com/about.html
http://handke-discussion.blogspot.com/
http://www.artscritic.blogspot.com
SCRIPTMANIA PROJECT MAIN SITE: http://www.handke.scriptmania.com
http://www.handkelectures.freeservers.com
http://summapolitico.blogspot.com

"MAY THE FOGGY DEW BEDIAMONDIZE YOUR HOOSPRINGS!" {J. Joyce}

"Sryde Lyde Myde Vorworde Vorhorde Vorborde" [von Alvensleben]

Sunday, November 26, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let us cut this intellectual blasphemy short.... Just take a closer look at Handke's life (especially childhood), his work and link this with his Milosevic endorsement - the only conclusion a person can make is that Handke is a SEROIUSLY DISTURBED PERSON!

Thursday, January 01, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The world, the so-called world, knows everything about Yugoslavia, Serbia. The world, the so-called world, knows everything about Slobodan Milošević. The so-called world knows the truth. This is why the so-called world is absent today, and not only today, and not only here. I don't know the truth. But I look. I listen. I feel. I remember. This is why I am here today, close to Yugoslavia, close to Serbia, close to Slobodan Milošević".

he just said this at the funeral. dont manipulate it.

evil serbs vs angel bosnian muslims and croatians!! all his opposition is against this opinion.

tell me about tudjman and alija. fascists and radical islamists. milosevic was also a fascist but what about them?

you are disgusting. just like israeli fascists who use the holocaust for their benefit.

Thursday, September 24, 2009  
OpenID owen said...

Anonymous of 24 September, did you stop to read the title of this blog when you arrived?

Friday, September 25, 2009  
Blogger stalker said...

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Monday, October 05, 2009  
OpenID owen said...

Stalker, as you're presumably the reincarnation of Anonymous of 24 September, perhaps I should amend my previous remark about reading the title of this blog and suggest that you read the content of this blog. Then you can go on to the ICTY judgments, and after that try reading a few of the excerpts from the transcripts of the trials, and so on ad infinitum.

This is 2009 and the world knows now. Maybe we're heading for a little time warp located somewhere around The Hague on 19 October but otherwise the time of us all having to listen to the self-serving nonsense of war criminals and their friends is over.

Waste your time, waste my time, but remember, it is a waste of time, you had your day, we're not listening any more.

Monday, October 05, 2009  
Blogger Srebrenica Genocide Blog Editor said...

"stalker", you know nothing. Let me respond to your comment:

PART I:

1. NASER ORIC: What do you want to tell us about Naser Oric? There is not even 1 video of Naser Oric beheading Serbs. Videos circulating on "Serbianna" and other ultranationalist web sites are taken from suspicious sources. We know that video of Rade Rogic's beheading was actually a video of Serbs beheading Bosnian soldier Mustafa Hadzipasic.

2. KRAJINA SERBS: After the Srebrenica genocide, there were concerns over the recurrence of the massacre in the Bihac pocket area, where the population of Bosniaks was four times larger than in Srebrenica and which was surrounded and under attack by Bosnian Serb and Croatian Serb forces. That's one of the reasons why combined forces of Croatian and Bosnian Army attacked Krajina. My heart goes to all victims of ethnic cleansing as I was also expelled from my town by Serbs. But, let me ask you one question: Are you aware that Krajina Serbs forcibly expelled 200,000 Croats in 1992 from Croatia?

3. FIKRET ABDIC: What does he have to do with anything? The man tried to create a country with only 1 town, stretching few kilometers and at the expense of his people and with the help of bloodhirsty Krajina Serbs.

Response continued in the next comment....

Monday, October 05, 2009  
Blogger Srebrenica Genocide Blog Editor said...

PART II:

4. MARKETPLACE BOMBING: Stop it, please. Enough of conspiracy theories. It was proved in court that Serbs were responsible for both markale market place massacres in Sarajevo. Educate yourself, here are some facts:

- GEN. DRAGOLJUB MILOSEVIC GUILTY: SERBS RESPONSIBLE FOR BOTH MARKALE MASSACRES
- GEN. STANISLAV GALIC GUILTY FOR TERRORIZING SARAJEVO, MARKALE
- UN REPORT: SERBS RESPONSIBLE FOR 1995 SARAJEVO MARKALE MASSACRE

- HAGUE TRIBUNAL: SERBS REPONSIBLE FOR 1994 MARKETPLACE BOMBING
- DAVID HARLAND RESPONSIBLE FOR REVISIONIST MARKALE MASSACRE MYTH
.... and many more resources, use your brain for academic research and you will find them.

5. RUDER FINN: Serbian propaganda also had representations in lobby groups. The information about Ruddy Finn public relations firm was discussed by Barry Lituchy, Srebrenica genocide denier and founder of Jasenovac Research Institute which propagates a lie about 700,000 dead Serbs in Jasenovac. Jasenovac Research Institute claims that 300,000 to 700,000 Serbs died in Jasenovac - the numbers challenged even by the United States Holocaust Museum, quote: "The most reliable figures place the number of Serbs killed by the Ustasha between 330,000 and 390,000, with 45,000 to 52,000 Serbs murdered in Jasenovac." The New York based "Jasenovac Research Institute" is a Serbian nationalist-run organization which describes itself as "committed to establishing the truth about the Holocaust in Yugoslavia and dedicated to the search for justice for its victims." However, Bosniak Muslim victims (including women and children) of Jasenovac are conveniently ignored by their research. The website features photos of innocent children who died in the Ustasha's run concentration camp - but there is no mention that those innocent victims belonged to all ethnicities, not just Serb. After all, 6 million Jews perished in the Holocaust. The people behind the Jasenovac Research Institute deny the Srebrenica genocide and celebrate Slobodan Milosevic. Barry Lituchy has no credibility, period.

6. SERBIAN ARMY: I presume you meant Serb Army (Bosnian Serb Army or VRS)? Of course they are responsible There are hundreds of thousands of pages of court transcripts attesting to the responsibility of the Bosnian Serb Army for the Srebrenica massacre. But, you are right - they are not the only ones responsible, because Serb paramilitary group Scorpions also participated in the massacre. We also learned that the forces of Serbian Army (under the leadership of the Government of Serbia) were present in Srebrenica during the Srebrenica genocide, READ ABOUT IT HERE.

Monday, October 05, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

naser oric let some journalists watch his videos of beheadings and civil massacres. i dont have the list rgiht now, but it can be read from diana johnstone.

ı dont think all those names and incidents are irrelevant with srebrenica massacre. alija knew that mladic's forces are gonna attack srebrenica for revenge of oric's crimes against serb villages. he ordered oric to leave srebrenica. there ara evidences about he said "if there will be a maassacre in s. , nato can bomb serbia" and there are ibran mustafic's statements about that.

dont have time. continue later..

Tuesday, October 06, 2009  
OpenID owen said...

Anonymous of 6 October, I assume that you're stalker again. Before anyhting else let me say that whatever you have to say, don't expect any reader of this blog to take you seriously if you mention the name of Diana Johnstone. We've wasted too much time on her, do a search on the content of this blog.

Also read the comments of the author of the Americans for Bosnia as he struggled to read through Fool's Crusade. Noam Chomsky may find her scholarship outstanding, others of us find it misleading, vague, sloppy and offensive.
http://americansforbosnia.blogspot.com/2006/07/fools-crusade-by-diana-johnstone.html

Equally, read Johnstone for yourself - but read her with a critical eye and a reference point for objectively established fact.

Having said all that's worth saying about Diana Johnstone, I am honestly uncertain about the videoed beheadings story which you refer to. Rather than rely on Johnstone's reference you can read the whole Washington Post article by John Pomfret at http://www.srebrenica-report.com/Oric.htm
- www.srebrenica-report.com is hardly an unbiased site but I have no reason to question the authenticity version of the article there.

I don't know enough about Pomfret to have any idea whether he had any particular sympathy with any side in Bosnia so I assume a priori that the report is unbiased. What it reports is horrific. The only question is whether it can be taken at face value.

It's possible to speculate that Oric might have been showing Pomfret the video for reasons other than bragging - for example using a copy of the Serb "Rade Rogic" video that Daniel has covered here to use Pomfret as a conduit for transmitting a warning threat to the Serbs. But I've seen no other information whatsoever about this video other than Pomfret's report, so - given Oric's tough reputation - Pomfret's report is quite possibly accurate.

However we've discussed Oric a number of times here, his dubious character on the one hand and his crucial importance to the defence of the civilians of Srebrenica up until summer 1995 on the other. We've also discussed how his notoriety has been exaggerated in order to excuse the enormity of the organised genocide carried out at Srebrenica by Ratko Mladic.

What you'll discover if you read this blog is that its primary concern is not with justifying the actions of governments, Milosevic, Tudjman, Izetbegovic, Karadzic or the Western and other intervening and non-intervening powers. It's about establishing the truth about who was clearly and directly responsible for terrible, terrible deeds on a scale that don't excuse Oric but make his misdeeds pale into insignificance.

From the Stalker blog it appears that you are an anarchist. Anarchism is a political philosophy, but it's more than just that. It's a philosophy that embodies ethics and a fundamental morality based on respect for fellow citizens. That's essentially what this blog is about. The regular visitors to it are people who were and are still horrified by the worst atrocity in Europe since the Nazis and we want to see the victims and survivors respected.

That means establishing the truth and holding the perpetrators to account for what they planned and did. Srebrenica was not the disastrous outcome of a tit for tat squabble. It was planned and organised genocide and part of a wider slaughter in the context of securing territorial expansion.

We have heard all of what you have said repeated here many times by people concerned to justify the slaughter and help those that were responsible escape unpunished. If those are the people you are trying to absolve, then I conclude that your anarchism has nothing to do with the notion of autonomous organisation free from the coercive structures of the state, it is the version that sought to provoke violent repression and confrontation in Genoa and Athens using its own violence.

Please be upfront where you stand.

Tuesday, October 06, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we can debate all the actions in civil war, but i dont have time for that. shortly: i think all the actors -in defence or offence- in yugoslavia civil war are responsible. you can struggle only for srebrenica justice, i can understand that, because hundreds of human beings murdered there and hundreds of them had to leave their own countries. as i said, i discuss it as a whole. alija, oric, mladic, karadzic, tudjman, milosevic, plavsic, hrysi avgi, scorpions, tigers, white eagles etc.. politic view of the imperialists also relevant. germany's support to croats and slovenians.. nato, usa for example.. the truth is undivided. if you define hauge as unquestioning, i cant agree you. why there is only milosevic? why not tudjman? why not alija for his policy of no compromise in 1990-91? why not us-nato-germany-bosnian and croatian army generals because of their atrocities in krajina? bombings of serbia? this can continue.. i tihnk i made myself clear for you.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009  
Blogger Srebrenica Genocide Blog Editor said...

Just a note: There is a new document I found, titled "Facts About Srebrenica," and published by the Hague Tribunal's Outreach Programme. I am convinced you will find it both compelling and interesting.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am the famous anonymous :)

i declare that stalker is not my account. i sent my posts with that open account by mistake. it was my friend's account.

Wednesday, October 07, 2009  
OpenID owen said...

Anonymous, because you see the truth as undivided and you don't have time to read, you've chosen to ignore the fact that this blog is about the genocide at Srebrenica, with occasional excursions where they're related to the activities of those who were directly responsible.

I don't think you'll find much reference to Tudjman here because the links between him and Srebrenica are hardly significant. As far as Izetbegovic and other actors are concerned their role isn't always clear but nevertheless alongside the evidence that we have of the culpability of those directly involved any blame that may be laid at their door is secondary and of a second or lower order.

What you appear to be trying to do with your "indivisible truth" is to create the space for a moral equivalency that blurs distinctions and allows individuals to took decisions and carried out actions within an organised framework to escape responsibility. You're not the first and only person who's come to this blog to try to do that.

You may think that's a misrepresentation of your perspective but the outcome is the same - you want to deny the victims their right to hold those who were directly responsible to account. Ask the survivors who were responsible. You haven't the time or inclination to read what has been written here in comments over the past few years by people with intimate personal knowledge of what happened.

How do you compare with all these people you condemn so freely when you join them in your dismissal of what they know. According to your blog you live in Serbia. If you want to be taken seriously please give us some idea where you are actually coming from. And if you want to be taken seriously, explain why you consider Diana Johnstone a convincing source?

Wednesday, October 07, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i dont live in serbia. that blog is not mine i am repeating again, i am the anonymous from 24 sep, 6 and 7 oct. but i know why there is serbia because my friend is interested in serbia and he wants to go belgrad as soon as possible.. and i live in turkey, where bosniaks love so much. on the contrary i hate.. you can use google translate if you dont believe in me. choose turkish to english or serbian..

now you can analise me :P

call me barış which means "peace" in english..

Wednesday, October 07, 2009  
OpenID owen said...

OK, Baris, it's helpful to be able to talk to you using a name. Thanks for clarifying and please disregard anything I've said that was irrelevant.

My point remains that it's essential to look at real evidence. The ICTY is far from being a perfect institution. Nevertheless it's the best source of direct reporting that we have, evidence that has been given on oath, challenged by the accused, and then examined by the Court. The ICTY transcripts and findings aren't the only evidence, but they're about as good a general source as you'll find to use as a guide to the reliability of other sources.

You only need to look at a very small part of the evidence given in for example the Kvocka trial to get a pretty good idea how far Diana Johnstone is to be trusted when she's talking about the Prijedor camps, whatever reservations you might have about the political legitimacy of the Court's establishment and motives. The same goes for the evidence of what happened at Srebrenica, including events before July 1995.

What we have also had at this blog has been testimony from individuals who have been personally affected by the events that are the subject of discussions. There's no absolute guarantee of anything posted here, but reference to information elsewhere and personal judgment of the integrity and consistency of what's said is a reasonable guide, along with obvious deceitfulness/manipulation of information by people posting comments here putting the opposite case.

By all means question anything that's said here, but do it on the basis of your own careful study and analysis of trustworthy sources (and check whether the issues have already been discussed ad infinitum).

Thursday, October 08, 2009  

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